Posts by Anders Andersen

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What Is Exciting About Jehovah’s Witnesses? Anything??

by minimus in

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are they the most boring people on earth?

their music, their videos, their public speaking... all are a big yawn.

there is no life to the witness religion!.

Jehovah's Witnesses Scripturally Based Position on Child Protection

by humblepotato in

news room > legal developments > legal resources.

jehovah's witnesses scripturally based position on child protection.

i am having trouble understanding paragraph 5. it says: .

Anders Andersen

Even if the elders have no legal duty to report an accusation to the authorities, the branch office of Jehovah’s Witnesses will instruct the elders to report the matter if a minor is still in danger of abuse or there is some other valid reason.

Apparently a case of child abuse isn't right away a valid reason to contact the authorities?

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GB member in The Netherlands for contact with State secretary of Justice

by Gorbatchov in

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dutch newspapers report that a gb member was in the netherlands last week for contact with the state secretary of justice because of the abuse cases.

(276 reported now).. no details were revealed.. g..

Anders Andersen

I heard there is a nation wide (in our tiny country a nation small) broadcasting streaming in the congration.

Do you know when that would be? Haven't heard about it yet...

Edit: Ah....I see 'special program' in my wife's calendar for Saturday....but apparently that was planned already quite some time ago...

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GB member in The Netherlands for contact with State secretary of Justice

by Gorbatchov in

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dutch newspapers report that a gb member was in the netherlands last week for contact with the state secretary of justice because of the abuse cases.

(276 reported now).. no details were revealed.. g..

Anders Andersen

@Freddo,

I collected some (20+) links here: https://www.reddit.com/r/exjg/comments/8gfj5e/in_het_nieuws_276_misbruikslachtoffers_hebben/

Most of the items say rougly the same. The item in Trouw reports on the GB member (or at least someone from HQ) visiting NL to talk to the Minister of Justice.

Het ministerie van justitie en veiligheid is nog steeds in gesprek met het bestuur van de getuigen in Nederland, laat een woordvoerder weten. Vorige week kregen ambtenaren een lid van het Amerikaanse besturend lichaam van de Jehovah’s Getuigen op bezoek. Die kwam namens de internationale organisatie over het eigen kerkrecht en misbruikbeleid praten.
Source: Trouw.nl

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Abuse by JW in the Netherlands: 276 victems registred in Q1, 2018

by Gorbatchov in

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https://www.metronieuws.nl/nieuws/binnenland/2018/05/meldingen-misbruik-bij-jehovahs-getuigen-opgelopen.

276 victems registred now in q1 2018, abused by jw's in the netherlands.. state secretary says branche has to speak with victem group official.. g..

Anders Andersen

So far at least 25 newspapers and websites have reported on this today.

I've collected the links here https://www.reddit.com/r/exjg/comments/8gfj5e/in_het_nieuws_276_misbruikslachtoffers_hebben/

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Abuse by JW in the Netherlands: 276 victems registred in Q1, 2018

by Gorbatchov in

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https://www.metronieuws.nl/nieuws/binnenland/2018/05/meldingen-misbruik-bij-jehovahs-getuigen-opgelopen.

276 victems registred now in q1 2018, abused by jw's in the netherlands.. state secretary says branche has to speak with victem group official.. g..

Anders Andersen

Thanks for sharing G.

Additional sources report on this as well:

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Certificate Of Destruction--by request!

by Atlantis in

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in your message, you wanted to know what the "certificate ofdestruction" used by the watchtower records department looks like.

(as soon as atlantis gets a copy i'll send it to you.

)please view this leaked video and go to 33 minutes of the video.

Anders Andersen

The data management policy in itself is nothing out of the ordinary....for a law firm or a company afraid of litigation.

The Borg really is run like a multinational company. It's all about the money, nothing about spirituality or worship.

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Can a DF person testify at a judicial committee?

by JeffT in

this may be a plot point in a novel i'm working on.

will a judicial committee take testimony from a df'd or da person?

i could see them wanting to get dirt from any possible source, on the other hand i can picture somebody saying "he's df'd everything he says will be a lie.

Anders Andersen

The testimony of unbelievers and disfellowshipped or disassociated ones may also be considered, but it must be weighed carefully.

That's a direct quote from the elders manual.

In other words, testimony can be used but of course the elders will be more likely to think they're lying.

By the way if you want to get your terms correct, the part with the testimonies is not the judicial committee. Before a JC is initiated, the (two) elders will go on a fact finding mission to see if any sins have been committed that warrant a JC. They will talk to witnesses to the sin (including possible unbelievers).

During the JC there is not much fact finding to do other than quizzing the accused to see if they are repentant.

Only in very rare cases (according to the elders book) it may appear during the JC that a JC isn't needed after all.

Example: while his wife is out of town, a bro is seen walking around town with a beautiful blonde woman. They are seen walking with arms locked together, hugging, during a dinner for two, going into the house of the bro together in the evening, and spending the night there.

Three different JW rat on the bro to the elders. It's clear as day that something sinny is going on here, so the bro is 'invited' for a chat at the Kh. When he gets there, he is ambushed by a 3 person panel of JC judges (who never clearly explain that fact nor the procedure they're following).

They explain charges of immorality and infidelity to him and want to proceed with the JC.

The bro laughs, produces a family picture and points out his beautiful blonde sister who lives abroad and is visiting him for a few days. Yeah, end of JC.

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Sensitive data on Watchtower forms

by Fay Dehr in

here's a link to a common form that publishers are required to fill in if they want to participate in city cart witnessing:.

https://1drv.ms/b/s!amcrvjcxi6m6agpvwzog5pxfxja.

note on the reverse of the form comments that elders write, and a box to rate your "spirituality"!

Anders Andersen

you should be allowed to see what they write about you.

Yes but then the elders might be pressed to be too positive about you? :-D

Regardless, GDPR says you can simply request to get a copy of all data an organisation keeps about you. That includes the backside of that form...

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2017--2018-WT-Global-Information-Technology/Data-Handbook!

by Atlantis in

2017--2018 watchtower data/global information/technology handbook.just in case this wasn't posted before.so many documents are coming in that i had to put all of this into onepdf file.

if i posted them separately i would clutter up the board.https://we.tl/blbrdfkhvzatlantis!.

Anders Andersen

That first document you posted is quite a leak. Not that it contains anything JW specific, but now everyone knows the brand and type of firewalls JW use, and some of the software they have installed on their PC and servers. Information that benefits hackers. If my company would leak such a document I'd be very unhappy!